face to face

What does it mean to say one communes "Face to Face" with YHVH? Many people who lack spiritual understanding express the claim that the bible contradicts itself when it says no man has seen God "face to face" and then it describes some seeing (talking with) him "face to face.
- Jn.1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.(Ex.23:23)
- Ex.33:(vs.11) And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. (Jn.15:15) And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle. (Deut.34:10)
To say one communes with one "face to face" isnt spacifically intended to be taken in the literal (phy) sense. Here in vs.11 the terminology is a Hebraism which means a close relation (1 on 1), direct communication/ communion as the verse emphasises with "as a man speaketh unto his friend". This is Not the same (Literal) sense as in:
- (Vs. 20) And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
(Christians: Note the ROCK in Ex.33:21-23 that made it possible for Moses to enter into such a close relation with YHVH).
Here in Ex. 33:20 we are basically told that phy. man can not phy. see Hashem while in the flesh. This is a more Literal sense of "face to face".

- Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. (Gen.16:13)
We know this one that Jacob (and Hagar) are reffering to is the Angel of The LORD. This verse relates back to Gen.16:9; (32:24). / Note Gen.32:30 "G-d" (not G-D or LORD) is translation from Elohim and NOT Y.H.V.H. and this is clearly the Angel of the Lord with further conformation in vs.14 "Man" (eesh)

For the Spiritual to interact with the Phy in a Phy way a vehicle is used. (example: flesh is the vehicle our spirits use to interact with the phy. in a phy. way.) We are made in the same image (Likeness) as the angels. Gen. describes These angels as eating phy. food and it sustaining them and Gen. also mentions man (Israel) partaking of angels food in the wilderness.
The Angel of The LORD is Mashiach (Messiah) prior to phy. birth. Mashiach is known as the right hand (Power and works) of YHVH (in realtion to creation/ phy realm) and also called Adon which is LORD as IN the earth. We are told you see the Father in ones works/ word/ fruits. If one can comprehend Jn.12:44-45 in truth he would know the hebraism used in the Torah.
- Jn. 12:44-45 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me
- Jn.14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? (In this passage Yeshua/Jesus is speaking of his fruits/ works/ word being that of the Father/ Emmanuel) Jn.5:36/ Heb.1:1-4/... The flesh man is differ than the born again Jn.5:37-47! (slumber)/ (1 Tim.3:16 / 1 Cor.12:3)

Abraham (Gen.17,18 &19)also came into direct contact with The angel of The LORD. These beings are described as "angels"/"men"/ and one is called "the LORD". (Gen.17:1 / Gen.18:1 "The LORD"/ Gen.18:2 "three men"/ Gen.18:3 "My Lord"/ Gen.18:13 "the LORD"/ vs.14 "the LORD"/ vs.16 "men"/ vs.20 "the LORD"/ vs.22"men" / vs.33 "the LORD"/ Gen.19:1 "two angels" Two of the ones reffered to as men are now called angels.) Melchizedek


- Ex.24:11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw (H#2372) God (Elohim/ #430) , and did eat and drink.(vs.8 blood of the covenant Heb.9:20) Hebrew - chazah- #2372- A primative root; to gaze at; mentally to percieve, contemplate (with pleasure); specifically to have a vision of- behold, look, prophacy, provide, see./ Rather than the other Hebrew word which also is translated to see/ or "saw": #7200- raah- prim. root to see, literal or figurative in numerouse applications,....

- Job.42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. Compare to Job.42:3 / Shama- hear and observe (understanding). Heb.11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Biblical faith consists of evidence which is the same thing Job is sharing. He expressed that he had been told of G-d but now his eye (H# 5869 ahyin- literally OR FIGURATIVELY - by affliction, outward appearance, favor, perception, .... ) (H #7200- raah- literally or Figuratively- approve, behold, Have Experience, take heed, reguard, ......

Who has seen God? Who has a relationship (Is one) with God?
Judges 13:22 (Samson's parents saw God)
Ex.24:9-11 (Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, and 70 elders of Israel)
Ex.6:3 (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob)
Jn.12/14 (the disciples)
Rev.1 (John)
What phy. man has been in has been in contact with YHVH defacto? None, the closest one was Moses but even then it was made possible by Mashiach.

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- Gen.1:27 God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
- 1 Thess.4:3-5 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
- Gal.5:16-26 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
(Works of the flesh)
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
(Fruit of the Spirit)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another
- 1 Cor.3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are
- 1 Cor.9:27 But I keep (discipline) under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
- 1 Cor.6:16-20 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
- 1 Cor.12:13,27 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit/ Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular
- 1 Cor.15:44,53-58 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body./ For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
- 1 Cor.5:6-8Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. (Jn.4:24)
- 2 Cor.6:14-18 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
- Rom.12:1-5 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. (Matt.5:29-30/ Matt.6:22)
- Rom.13:1-14 (2 Pet.2:10)
- 2 Pet.2
- Phil.1:20 According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
- Rom.14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
- 1 Cor.10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God
- Jn.2:19-21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body (1 Cor.11:24/ Matt.26:26 / 1 Pet.2:24/ Heb.2:14/ Rom.5:10/ 1 Cor.5:6-8/ Eph.2:15)
- Jas.2:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
- Matt.16:24-26 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
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