Saturday, December 14, 2013
face to face
What does it mean to say one communes "Face to Face" with YHVH? Many people who lack spiritual understanding express the claim that the bible contradicts itself when it says no man has seen God "face to face" and then it describes some seeing (talking with) him "face to face.
- Jn.1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.(Ex.23:23)
- Ex.33:(vs.11) And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. (Jn.15:15) And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle. (Deut.34:10)
To say one communes with one "face to face" isnt spacifically intended to be taken in the literal (phy) sense. Here in vs.11 the terminology is a Hebraism which means a close relation (1 on 1), direct communication/ communion as the verse emphasises with "as a man speaketh unto his friend". This is Not the same (Literal) sense as in:
- (Vs. 20) And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
(Christians: Note the ROCK in Ex.33:21-23 that made it possible for Moses to enter into such a close relation with YHVH).
Here in Ex. 33:20 we are basically told that phy. man can not phy. see Hashem while in the flesh. This is a more Literal sense of "face to face".
- Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. (Gen.16:13)
We know this one that Jacob (and Hagar) are reffering to is the Angel of The LORD. This verse relates back to Gen.16:9; (32:24). / Note Gen.32:30 "G-d" (not G-D or LORD) is translation from Elohim and NOT Y.H.V.H. and this is clearly the Angel of the Lord with further conformation in vs.14 "Man" (eesh)
For the Spiritual to interact with the Phy in a Phy way a vehicle is used. (example: flesh is the vehicle our spirits use to interact with the phy. in a phy. way.) We are made in the same image (Likeness) as the angels. Gen. describes These angels as eating phy. food and it sustaining them and Gen. also mentions man (Israel) partaking of angels food in the wilderness.
The Angel of The LORD is Mashiach (Messiah) prior to phy. birth. Mashiach is known as the right hand (Power and works) of YHVH (in realtion to creation/ phy realm) and also called Adon which is LORD as IN the earth. We are told you see the Father in ones works/ word/ fruits. If one can comprehend Jn.12:44-45 in truth he would know the hebraism used in the Torah.
- Jn. 12:44-45 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me
- Jn.14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? (In this passage Yeshua/Jesus is speaking of his fruits/ works/ word being that of the Father/ Emmanuel) Jn.5:36/ Heb.1:1-4/... The flesh man is differ than the born again Jn.5:37-47! (slumber)/ (1 Tim.3:16 / 1 Cor.12:3)
Abraham (Gen.17,18 &19)also came into direct contact with The angel of The LORD. These beings are described as "angels"/"men"/ and one is called "the LORD". (Gen.17:1 / Gen.18:1 "The LORD"/ Gen.18:2 "three men"/ Gen.18:3 "My Lord"/ Gen.18:13 "the LORD"/ vs.14 "the LORD"/ vs.16 "men"/ vs.20 "the LORD"/ vs.22"men" / vs.33 "the LORD"/ Gen.19:1 "two angels" Two of the ones reffered to as men are now called angels.) Melchizedek
- Ex.24:11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw (H#2372) God (Elohim/ #430) , and did eat and drink.(vs.8 blood of the covenant Heb.9:20) Hebrew - chazah- #2372- A primative root; to gaze at; mentally to percieve, contemplate (with pleasure); specifically to have a vision of- behold, look, prophacy, provide, see./ Rather than the other Hebrew word which also is translated to see/ or "saw": #7200- raah- prim. root to see, literal or figurative in numerouse applications,....
- Job.42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. Compare to Job.42:3 / Shama- hear and observe (understanding). Heb.11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Biblical faith consists of evidence which is the same thing Job is sharing. He expressed that he had been told of G-d but now his eye (H# 5869 ahyin- literally OR FIGURATIVELY - by affliction, outward appearance, favor, perception, .... ) (H #7200- raah- literally or Figuratively- approve, behold, Have Experience, take heed, reguard, ......
Who has seen God? Who has a relationship (Is one) with God?
Judges 13:22 (Samson's parents saw God)
Ex.24:9-11 (Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, and 70 elders of Israel)
Ex.6:3 (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob)
Jn.12/14 (the disciples)
Rev.1 (John)
What phy. man has been in has been in contact with YHVH defacto? None, the closest one was Moses but even then it was made possible by Mashiach.
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Friday, December 6, 2013
Your Temple/ Body
- Gen.1:27 God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
- 1 Thess.4:3-5 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
- Gal.5:16-26 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
(Works of the flesh)
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
(Fruit of the Spirit)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another
- 1 Cor.3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are
- 1 Cor.9:27 But I keep (discipline) under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
- 1 Cor.6:16-20 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
- 1 Cor.12:13,27 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit/ Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular
- 1 Cor.15:44,53-58 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body./ For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
- 1 Cor.5:6-8Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. (Jn.4:24)
- 2 Cor.6:14-18 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
- Rom.12:1-5 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. (Matt.5:29-30/ Matt.6:22)
- Rom.13:1-14 (2 Pet.2:10)
- 2 Pet.2
- Phil.1:20 According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
- Rom.14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
- 1 Cor.10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God
- Jn.2:19-21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body (1 Cor.11:24/ Matt.26:26 / 1 Pet.2:24/ Heb.2:14/ Rom.5:10/ 1 Cor.5:6-8/ Eph.2:15)
- Jas.2:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
- Matt.16:24-26 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
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(Lev.19:28/ Eph.6:5-17/ 1 Cor.7:3-5/ 2 Cor.10:5/ Rom.8:23/ ...)
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Wednesday, November 13, 2013
Redman
Judah/ David/& Yeshua(same line/Jews) where described as having a ruddy (1 Sam.17:42) completion (to show blood in the face/blush/white or light skinned) and haveing dark (brown) eyes (Gen.49:12).
David was described as being (H#132) 'admônı̂y- red (ruddy) "reddish (of the hair or the *complexion): - red, ruddy (1 Sam.17:42). "Adam" (H#120)in Gen carries this same context (Gen.1:26) 'âdâm ruddy, that is, a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.): - X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person. from a root that is---- (H#119)'âdam which means "To show blood (in the face), that is, flush or turn rosy: - be (dyed, made) red (ruddy)."
Is this a literal red? Yes ("red" "complexion" in relation to showing blood in the face so if not constantly a "reddish" then at least light enough to blush and be "flush".)
"Black" is used in relation to the skin to describe afflictions (spiritual and physical states) NOT race. Sadly "black Hebrew Israelites" like to pervert the context of these verses and just focuss on the "black skin" in their attempts to replace Judah. This requires totally ignoring the Surrounding texts in all of thease areas.
Examples:
> Lam.5:10 Our skin was black like an oven *because of the terrible famine. (Thus it has NOTHING to do with their Race. Its a statement of degredation much like repenting in ash and sack cloth .)
Honestly i find it rather notable that most members of the "Black Hebrew Israelites" never seem to get around to sharing Torah or the Gospel in any real fashion cause they put all their time and effort into highlighting and exhaulting their race.
> Job.30:30 "My skin grows black and peels; my body burns with fever. "
kjv- "My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat."
עוֹרִי שָׁחַר מֵעָלָי וְעַצְמִי חָרָה מִנִּי חֹרֶב:
Heb. חרה, an expression of a thing that is burned and dried through the heat of the fire, like (Jer. 6:29), “The bellows is heated (נחר) ” ; (Ezek. 15: 4), “and the middle of it is burned (נחר).”
Whats the surrounding scriptures?
> Job.30:26-31
When I looked for good, then evil came unto me: and when I waited for light, there came darkness. My bowels boiled, and rested not: the days of affliction prevented me. I went mourning without the sun: I stood up, and I cried in the congregation. I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls. My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat. My harp also is turned to mourning, and my organ into the voice of them that weep.
this AGAIN SHOWS affliction.
> Songs 1:5-6 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.
........(Its obvious black isnt in relation to his race but Again in relation to affliction thus why he says look not upon me cause i am black. Its not a shame to be of a black race.) You, my friends, let me not be light in your eyes even if my husband has left me because of my blackness, for I am black because of the sun’s gaze, but I am comely with the shape of beautiful limbs, and if I am black as the tents of Kedar, which are blackened by the rain, for they are constantly spread out in the deserts, I am easily cleansed to be like the curtains of Solomon. The allegory is that the congregation of Israel says to the nations: I am black in my deeds, but I am comely in the deeds of my ancestors, and even some of my deeds are comely. If I am guilty of the iniquity of the [Golden] Calf, I can counter it with the merit of the acceptance of the Torah (Song Rabbah). He calls the nations the daughters of Jerusalem because she [Jerusalem] is destined to become the metropolis for them all, as Ezekiel prophesied (16:61): “and I shall give them to you for daughters,” like (Josh. 15:45): “Ekron, with her towns (וּבְנוֹהֶיהָ).”
In relation to light white has the whole spectrum but in relation to color black includes all colors and white is simply the lack of color (which I have noticed has become a debate of its own among people that dont seem to know the difference, yet can be observed if you simpley take all colors (pain/crayons/..) and put in same location). What i personally dont really understand is why all computer spectrumes of color had red at both ends. Anyway, If the first man was red in complection and through time certain lines were formed in which the the tone of skin ranged from what we commonly call "black and white" what were the contributing factors?
First of all I have never actually seena "white" person I have seen real light tan or pinkish though.So does sunlight play a role in relation to the complextion (showing blood in the face)? does the spacific seedlines relate to complextion and if so how and why in relation to a red orgin? Feel fre to leave comments. I am also familure with stances that there was more than one man and woman present in days of Adam and Eve which is open for discussion in comments but please not discussion on universal evolution from apes (or whatever). Please if you want to discuss this post do so in relation to the Bible.
David was described as being (H#132) 'admônı̂y- red (ruddy) "reddish (of the hair or the *complexion): - red, ruddy (1 Sam.17:42). "Adam" (H#120)in Gen carries this same context (Gen.1:26) 'âdâm ruddy, that is, a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.): - X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person. from a root that is---- (H#119)'âdam which means "To show blood (in the face), that is, flush or turn rosy: - be (dyed, made) red (ruddy)."
Is this a literal red? Yes ("red" "complexion" in relation to showing blood in the face so if not constantly a "reddish" then at least light enough to blush and be "flush".)
"Black" is used in relation to the skin to describe afflictions (spiritual and physical states) NOT race. Sadly "black Hebrew Israelites" like to pervert the context of these verses and just focuss on the "black skin" in their attempts to replace Judah. This requires totally ignoring the Surrounding texts in all of thease areas.
Examples:
> Lam.5:10 Our skin was black like an oven *because of the terrible famine. (Thus it has NOTHING to do with their Race. Its a statement of degredation much like repenting in ash and sack cloth .)
Honestly i find it rather notable that most members of the "Black Hebrew Israelites" never seem to get around to sharing Torah or the Gospel in any real fashion cause they put all their time and effort into highlighting and exhaulting their race.
> Job.30:30 "My skin grows black and peels; my body burns with fever. "
kjv- "My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat."
עוֹרִי שָׁחַר מֵעָלָי וְעַצְמִי חָרָה מִנִּי חֹרֶב:
Heb. חרה, an expression of a thing that is burned and dried through the heat of the fire, like (Jer. 6:29), “The bellows is heated (נחר) ” ; (Ezek. 15: 4), “and the middle of it is burned (נחר).”
Whats the surrounding scriptures?
> Job.30:26-31
When I looked for good, then evil came unto me: and when I waited for light, there came darkness. My bowels boiled, and rested not: the days of affliction prevented me. I went mourning without the sun: I stood up, and I cried in the congregation. I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls. My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat. My harp also is turned to mourning, and my organ into the voice of them that weep.
this AGAIN SHOWS affliction.
> Songs 1:5-6 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.
........(Its obvious black isnt in relation to his race but Again in relation to affliction thus why he says look not upon me cause i am black. Its not a shame to be of a black race.) You, my friends, let me not be light in your eyes even if my husband has left me because of my blackness, for I am black because of the sun’s gaze, but I am comely with the shape of beautiful limbs, and if I am black as the tents of Kedar, which are blackened by the rain, for they are constantly spread out in the deserts, I am easily cleansed to be like the curtains of Solomon. The allegory is that the congregation of Israel says to the nations: I am black in my deeds, but I am comely in the deeds of my ancestors, and even some of my deeds are comely. If I am guilty of the iniquity of the [Golden] Calf, I can counter it with the merit of the acceptance of the Torah (Song Rabbah). He calls the nations the daughters of Jerusalem because she [Jerusalem] is destined to become the metropolis for them all, as Ezekiel prophesied (16:61): “and I shall give them to you for daughters,” like (Josh. 15:45): “Ekron, with her towns (וּבְנוֹהֶיהָ).”
In relation to light white has the whole spectrum but in relation to color black includes all colors and white is simply the lack of color (which I have noticed has become a debate of its own among people that dont seem to know the difference, yet can be observed if you simpley take all colors (pain/crayons/..) and put in same location). What i personally dont really understand is why all computer spectrumes of color had red at both ends. Anyway, If the first man was red in complection and through time certain lines were formed in which the the tone of skin ranged from what we commonly call "black and white" what were the contributing factors?
First of all I have never actually seena "white" person I have seen real light tan or pinkish though.So does sunlight play a role in relation to the complextion (showing blood in the face)? does the spacific seedlines relate to complextion and if so how and why in relation to a red orgin? Feel fre to leave comments. I am also familure with stances that there was more than one man and woman present in days of Adam and Eve which is open for discussion in comments but please not discussion on universal evolution from apes (or whatever). Please if you want to discuss this post do so in relation to the Bible.
Monday, November 4, 2013
random responce to interracial
*^#^%*& Deut.7:2 speaks against it, as do many scriptures but in what reguards? Those OF Israel were not to mix with those outside of Israel (in relation to carrying the phy line of Israel). This carries over to the faith cause in Torah (Judaism) tribal identification is made through the Father (physical line carries promise like in David/Judah -king line... Levi- priestline thus a LEVITICAL high priest had to track his lieniage back to Levi (aaron through both Maother and Father and a king of Israel had to track line back through father to David)and yet if ones mother isnt of the desendants of Jacob (Israel) they are not counted as of the congreagtion (of Israel/ literally /phy/ and faith). In relation to the faith the mother carries the wieght cause we are told that those Men that marry woman that arent of Israel that the child is in danger of loosing the faith (Deut 7 but this isnt mentioned in relation to the child of a none Jewish/Israeli father that has a mother of Israel). When a physical line is Breached then that is a New line, new people, nation and so forth which is seen throughout scripture. Example Hagar was Egyptian and Sarah wasnt the weight of the inheritance (relates to calling) went to Isaac cause hagar and Ishmael were sent out / look at seperation Of Cain.. He went forth bringing up a new people, following the flood the sons of Noah were scattered and brought up a new people. We also see in the Tanakh that those jews that were slaves or had slaves were allowed non Jewish wives cause a Jewish women isnt to be put in bondage and when Israel was cleansed the Men put off all their non Jewish wives and children. When a Jew man is given oppertunity to freedom (after time limit of slavery in Judaism) If he were to choose freedom he would have to leave wife and kids cause they were still property of slave owner (employer) thus reason they werent given Jewish women. So interracial bonds are bonds and no ones birth is a sin (reguarding any offspring of interracial or non interracial marriages).In other words what a interracial bond has is theirs and isnt directly wrong or bad but is not what was being carried before in their line thats leads up to this new (mix). In islam its somewhat the opposite. If your Father (head of the house) is muslim BOOM you are considered Muslim. http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/.../topics/levitical-marriage <--at the bottom of this link you may find some good info on subject, And here is another link for whomsoever will http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/profiles/blog/show
Sunday, October 27, 2013
Before cross
Yeshua heals & is the means in which YHVH has provided all atonement. The atonements were fulfilled in Yeshua from the foundation of the world. What happened to those in covenant that passed over prior to the literal crusifixtion?
YHVH isn't confined to space and time (Acts 7:48-50;17:24-30/ Is.44:6/Is.48/ Rev.1:8/ Jn.1) & prior to a mark on a timeline the truth of the crusifixtion stood (Rev.13:8/ 2 Tim.1:9/ 1 Pet.1:20/Jn.1).
While the blood of animals never completely fulfilled the sacrifice the foreshadow carried the spiritual embrace of the body and blood of Yeshua just as the Wine and Bread does looking back. Looking at those set apart ones prior to the fulfillment I think of people such as Abraham (who actually met Yeshua in his day to those who know the meat of G-d's Word). Abraham's faith was counted to him for righteousness!(Gen.15:6/ Rom.3:28;4:1-8/ Gal.3:6-7). Christ described a place of rest for those in the covenant as being in Abraham's bosom(set apart fromthose not in covenant). I also think of the cases of Moses, Elijah & Enoch Ben Seth, while all are considered to have been transfigured they left the phy. realm& refered to as being taken to heaven & or walking w/ G-d.
Lk.20:37-38 (G-d of living not dead)
---------Those not in good standing-----
With victory over the grave, Yeshua certainly delivered some from prison that had passed over (1 Pet.3:18-20) For Christ also hath Once suffered for sin the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to G-d, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit; By which also he went & preached unto the spirits in prison, which some time were *disobedient, when once the longsuffering of G-d waited in the days of Noah. While the ark was a preparing wherein few that is 8 souls were saved by water.(Lk.5:32)
(Lk.10/Matt.10/Matt.11/ Those who werent in covenant and those who didnt know righteous standard)
YHVH isn't confined to space and time (Acts 7:48-50;17:24-30/ Is.44:6/Is.48/ Rev.1:8/ Jn.1) & prior to a mark on a timeline the truth of the crusifixtion stood (Rev.13:8/ 2 Tim.1:9/ 1 Pet.1:20/Jn.1).
While the blood of animals never completely fulfilled the sacrifice the foreshadow carried the spiritual embrace of the body and blood of Yeshua just as the Wine and Bread does looking back. Looking at those set apart ones prior to the fulfillment I think of people such as Abraham (who actually met Yeshua in his day to those who know the meat of G-d's Word). Abraham's faith was counted to him for righteousness!(Gen.15:6/ Rom.3:28;4:1-8/ Gal.3:6-7). Christ described a place of rest for those in the covenant as being in Abraham's bosom(set apart fromthose not in covenant). I also think of the cases of Moses, Elijah & Enoch Ben Seth, while all are considered to have been transfigured they left the phy. realm& refered to as being taken to heaven & or walking w/ G-d.
Lk.20:37-38 (G-d of living not dead)
---------Those not in good standing-----
With victory over the grave, Yeshua certainly delivered some from prison that had passed over (1 Pet.3:18-20) For Christ also hath Once suffered for sin the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to G-d, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit; By which also he went & preached unto the spirits in prison, which some time were *disobedient, when once the longsuffering of G-d waited in the days of Noah. While the ark was a preparing wherein few that is 8 souls were saved by water.(Lk.5:32)
(Lk.10/Matt.10/Matt.11/ Those who werent in covenant and those who didnt know righteous standard)
Saturday, September 28, 2013
Yehoshua Tanakh
Basics: Of course Christ was Jewish and his common name would be Hebrew. The N.T. was written in Greek and all Greek manuscripts have the name "Iesous" which is translated "Jesus" in English sources.
In the 3rd to 2nd century BC the Tanach was translated into the Greek (The Septuagint). The name that was translated into "Iesous" from the Hebrew bible was Yehoshua (Yeshua).
Those familure with the Hebrew name of Jesus (Yeshua) know that he and Joshua shared the same name. (Joshua the son of Jehozadak) Zec.6:11, Haggai 1:12, Haggai 2:2<-- Joshua is called Yehoshua in here in the O.T. (Tanach). The same Joshua is called Yeshua in Aramaic (original Hebrew) in: Ezra 3:8, Ezra 5:2
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The Book of Zechariah foretells the name of the Messiah!
KJV---*Zec.3:8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.-------****
(men "Wondered" at)- above is the Hebrew (#4159 From H3302 in the sense of conspicuousness; a miracle; by implication a token or omen: - miracle, sign, wonder (-ed at).) term MOFAITH/ men of sign, ****men to serve as signs of one greater***. Here we see that "Joshua" is a wonderous sign (omen)/ or sign of things to come(- which is the NIV translation). The verse goes unto to say How Joshua is symbolic of things to come- "for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH." (The Messiah is mentioned as The Branch throughout scripture and even in the constilations) Is.42:1; 52:13; 53:11/ Zec.6:12, Is.4:2, Is.11:1, Jer.23:5
The name of the Messiah was revealed through Joshua the son of Josedech, who foreshadowed the coming of Messiah by sharing the same name and also being a King and a Priest.
*Zec.3:9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
The Rock here is Christ (Ps.118:2, Is.8:26; 28:16, Acts.4:11, Matt.21:42, 1 Pet.2:6-8, the one who fulfilled the Passover sacrifice in a single day. The name of which we were given ahead of time. The name that means Salvation of Yah! The number seven means spiritual completeness and the eyes are omissions (dominions). God engraves this stone showing that this stone bares the name of God as well as Yeshua does! Note that Yeshua came not to do his own will but the will of The Father. ***** Heb.8:5; 9:24, Matt.12:6, Heb.10:4, Heb.2:17, Jn.1:29, Matt.21:42, Mk.12:10, Lk.20:17, Heb.9:25-26
Again Joshua which was a king (Zec.6:11) and a priest (Zec.3:8/ Ps.110:4) was a shadow of The Yeshua to come. 1 Cor.15:1-6/ Is.53:5-12, Dan.9:24-26, Ps.22:15-16, Zec.12:10, Ps.16:9-11
http://youtu.be/AOzU9XBxmMg
Yeshua means: Salvation of Yah. With this knowledge we can apply
Ps.119:155 to Messiah! -"Salvation(Yeshua) is far from the wicked: for they seek not thy statutes."
Thursday, September 19, 2013
AtonementS
NOTEs on Atonements
Biblical ATONEMENT
Prayer, Repentance, Love (Charity, Mercy), Flour, Money all point to Messiah (the lamb God provided)
No Atonement without the Blood Lev.17:11/ Yoma 5a/ Zebahim 6a/ Menahoth 93b
Tosafot (Rashi comentary& Encyclopedia Judaica) blood- "The fundamental principle"
-Notes- (try to read Lev.16 day of atonement without blood sacrifice compare to Heb.9 &10 (Heb.10:10)the day of atonement was made for Messiah who fulfilled all the blood sacrifice for one and all time/ * Heb.10:14,18 (Heb.10)/ Matt.26:26-29/Rom.5:9/ Rev.1:5/ Jn.11:49,50,51,52,53; 18:12,13,14/Eph.1:7; 2:13/ (Jn.3:16)/Rom.3:24-25/ 1 Pet.1:2,18-19/ Rom.8:1-4/ 1 Jn 1:7,8,9/ Col.2:17/ Gal.3:24-29/ Yeshua- Salvation of Yah/ Right Hand works (power) Christ fulfilled The Passover sacrifice 1 Cor.5:6-8/ Heb.2:14 (Lev.17:11/ Heb.9:22) Rev.12:10-11
-Notes- The Righteous atoning (the symbol of Isaac in Gen.22/ Num.35:33 - death of high priest atoning as stated in midrash which states the about this text that the high spirituality of the righteous is a powerful atonement. So naturally the death of Messiah would carry greater atonement. (1 Pet.2:22-24/ Is.53 (vs.10))
Talmud sukkah 45a
As the temple was being destroyed one of the sages said "stupid Romans, while the temple was standing we could make atonement for youNow what will you do"
In the midst of the crisis & chaos that followed the destruction of the temple, Yohanan Ben Zakkai (the "father of rabbinic Judaism" who organized schools at Yavneh) offered a solution saying
"just as sin was surely followed by punishment, so repentance would surely be followed by redemption." But how could this happen without the Temple? Johanan had the answer to this, too; in fact he had an answer that changed the course of Jewish practice (rabbinic Judaism) from that day forward. The legend is:
-Once as Rabban Johanan ben Zakkai was coming out of Jerusalem, Rabbi Joshua followed after him, and beheld the Temple in ruins.
"Woe unto us!" Rabbi Joshua cried, "that this place, the place where the iniquities of Israel were atoned for, is laid waste."
"My son," Rabban Johanan said to him, "be not grieved; we have another atonement as effective as this. And what is it? It is acts of lovingkindness, as it is said, For I desire mercy, not sacrifice (Hos. 6:6)... What then were the acts of lovingkindness in which he was engaged? He used to outfit the bride... accompany the dead, give a perutah [coin] to the poor and pray three times a day.
I must say here that i disagree with the "rabbis" interpretation of Hosea 6:6 though "For I desired mercy(love), and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings." the rabbi used this to proclaim that there is "ANOTHER" atonement "acts of loving kindness".
Biblical ATONEMENT
Prayer, Repentance, Love (Charity, Mercy), Flour, Money all point to Messiah (the lamb God provided)
We are saved by Grace (unmerited/ undeserving favor- Provided by G-d) through Faith (our portion in the relationship). The details of this are seen in the Atonements.
No Atonement without the Blood Lev.17:11/ Yoma 5a/ Zebahim 6a/ Menahoth 93b
Tosafot (Rashi comentary& Encyclopedia Judaica) blood- "The fundamental principle"
-Notes- (try to read Lev.16 day of atonement without blood sacrifice compare to Heb.9 &10 (Heb.10:10)the day of atonement was made for Messiah who fulfilled all the blood sacrifice for one and all time/ * Heb.10:14,18 (Heb.10)/ Matt.26:26-29/Rom.5:9/ Rev.1:5/ Jn.11:49,50,51,52,53; 18:12,13,14/Eph.1:7; 2:13/ (Jn.3:16)/Rom.3:24-25/ 1 Pet.1:2,18-19/ Rom.8:1-4/ 1 Jn 1:7,8,9/ Col.2:17/ Gal.3:24-29/ Yeshua- Salvation of Yah/ Right Hand works (power) Christ fulfilled The Passover sacrifice 1 Cor.5:6-8/ Heb.2:14 (Lev.17:11/ Heb.9:22) Rev.12:10-11
-Notes- The Righteous atoning (the symbol of Isaac in Gen.22/ Num.35:33 - death of high priest atoning as stated in midrash which states the about this text that the high spirituality of the righteous is a powerful atonement. So naturally the death of Messiah would carry greater atonement. (1 Pet.2:22-24/ Is.53 (vs.10))
The Torah is a covenant made in blood. Blood sacrifice can be observed as far back as sin unto Abraham unto the first Passover unto Messiah.
Talmud sukkah 45a
As the temple was being destroyed one of the sages said "stupid Romans, while the temple was standing we could make atonement for youNow what will you do"
In the midst of the crisis & chaos that followed the destruction of the temple, Yohanan Ben Zakkai (the "father of rabbinic Judaism" who organized schools at Yavneh) offered a solution saying
"just as sin was surely followed by punishment, so repentance would surely be followed by redemption." But how could this happen without the Temple? Johanan had the answer to this, too; in fact he had an answer that changed the course of Jewish practice (rabbinic Judaism) from that day forward. The legend is:
-Once as Rabban Johanan ben Zakkai was coming out of Jerusalem, Rabbi Joshua followed after him, and beheld the Temple in ruins.
"Woe unto us!" Rabbi Joshua cried, "that this place, the place where the iniquities of Israel were atoned for, is laid waste."
"My son," Rabban Johanan said to him, "be not grieved; we have another atonement as effective as this. And what is it? It is acts of lovingkindness, as it is said, For I desire mercy, not sacrifice (Hos. 6:6)... What then were the acts of lovingkindness in which he was engaged? He used to outfit the bride... accompany the dead, give a perutah [coin] to the poor and pray three times a day.
I must say here that i disagree with the "rabbis" interpretation of Hosea 6:6 though "For I desired mercy(love), and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings." the rabbi used this to proclaim that there is "ANOTHER" atonement "acts of loving kindness".
Yeshua told us if we (1)love him we will Keep the commandments -which Includes "acts of loveingkindness" (Matt.22:37-40/ Mk.12:29-31) and yet all have sinned and fallen short of keeping the Law so all have need of the atonement made in Yeshua the ONE who knew no sin! If we kept all the law and never fell short we wouldnt have need of sacrifice. Hosea 6:6 highlights the importance of atonement through Yeshua. The Tanach (OT) is very clear that all have fallen short. Some rabbis claim acts of loving kindness (civil laws) were as effective as seeking atonement for sins when in fact this "other atonement" is really just a part of the law that when not kept is sin. Jas.2:10 All the sacrifice doesnt amount to anything without a pure heart. Hosea 6:6 is simpley saying God wants our love (Rev.4:11 do you pleasure your LORD). If we Alway kept Torah we would have no need of sacrifice but we are told all sin ONLY Messiah was without sin. G-d so loved the world.......
Circumsizion of the heart relates to (2) "prayer" Ps.51:16-19 as David shows the same concept. Messiah taught us how to pray! Prayer is done in Faith and in that relationship we have with the Father.
(3) Repentance must come before atonement (example: Ps.5:4-5/ 2 Pet.3:9) 1 Kings 8:46-50 King Solomon can ask God to forgive when they turn back and pray. Temple was still standing! Solomon wasn't praying that when the Temple would not be there, accept their prayers as atonement, but that coupled with the sacrifices being offered in the Temple, the repentent cries of the people would be heard and their sin forgiven Also note when Moses came down and saw Israel in idolatry and asked who is on the LORD's side. Those who refused to turn to the LORD were slayed and those that did turn to the LORD were forgiven. (2 Chronicles 7:19-22)
Lev.6:2-7 (not just unintentional sin with blood)
Lev.16 (the escape goat didnt justcarry away unintentional sins)
Where we have transgressed Messiah fulfilled Torah! It is he who redeems us and its that path (the Way) unto which we return.
Lev.5:11-13 "flour" alone didnt atone. It was only effectual when Mixed in with the blood sacrifice. THe blood was Required and the flour allowed the poor to join in. Christ said this bread (unleavened flour) is my body again pointing to Mashiach!The bread/matza symbolizes no malice /sin (1 Cor.5:6-8)
"Atonement"
Hebrew #3722 "lekapper" is often translated as "atone" in many English Bibles, doesn't always mean that sin is forgiven. It may mean just "remove" or "wiped away" as in Is.28:18 "disannuled".
(Num.1:2- national)
Ex.30:12 "money" atonemant (Ransom- Matt.20:28 /(1Pet.1:18,19)/ Price of life 2 Sam.24:14-16
again "money atonement points to Christ)
Ps.51:16-19
Does Judaism have a comfort in a sure fulfilled atonement today?
"In his last hours, rabban Yohanan ben Zakkai kept weeping out loud.
'O master,' his disciples exclaimed, 'O tall pillar, light of the world, mighty hammer, why art thou weeping?'
He said to them, 'Do I then go to appear before a king of flesh and blood, whose anger, if he should be angry with me, is but of this world? and whose chastening, if he should chastise me, is but of this world? Whom I can, moreover appease with words or bribe with money? Verily, I go rather to appear before the King of Kings of Kings, the Holy One, blessed be he, whose anger, if he should be angry with me, is of this world, and the world to come, and whom I cannot appease with words or bribe with money! Moreover I have before me two roads, one to paradise and one to Gehenna, and I know not whether he will sentence me to Gehenna or admit me into Paradise. And of this a verse says, Before him shall be sentenced all those that go down to the dust, even he that cannot keep his soul alive (Ps.22:30)- and should I not weep?"
also suggest:
http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/video/yeshua-sacrifice-tanach
source of much of the info above from: http://jewsforjesus.org/answers/theology/atonement-questions-and-answers
Num.21:7-9 (The Brazen Serpent was a symbol of the effects of transgression and the requirement of atonement, just as Christ's sacrifice Jn.3:14,15. Sadly members of Israel had later begun to worship this image rather than its purpose 2 Kings 18:4)
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Islam
Islam has no Atonement (they seek forgiveness through prayers, and works), so their allah is not a god of Law. Law has an effect for transgression. REGUARDLESS if we are forgiven the price must be paid before a Holy G-D and is through ATONEMENT. In islam there is no effect for sin if you just say your sorry God forgets his Law thus making allah a liar rather than fulfilling the Law through Atonement According to YHVH's blueprint. Islamic allah justifies sin thus is not The LORD our G-d
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Apostacy
A time is coming (Dan9:27;11:36;12:11/ 2 Thess.2) when the world will seek to take our communion with Messiah away. One shall stand saying come unto me and recieve peace yet The Faithful have that peace Now (and throughout tribulations) Lk.17:21/ Matt.24:23,26... Those of the world will fall to this deception for they seek the (false) "peace" and prosperity that shall be presented to them. Peace of Christ be with His
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Messianic Revelations
Lev. 18:21, Deut. 18:10
The Jewish concept regarding the death of the righteous atoning for the sins of the people.
Zohar 2:212a, Babylonian Talmud Mo'ed Qatan 28a, Shabbat 32a, 33b, Leviticus Rabbah 20:12, Yoma 2:1, Pesikta deRav Kahana 26:16, Exodus Rabbah, Terumah 35:4, b. Sotah 14a, b. Berakhot 32a, Mekhilta 2a, m.Negaim 2:1, Zohar pt. III, fol. 218a, Amsterdam edition, 4th Maccabees 6:28-29, 13:12, 16:20, 17:22, Tanhuma, Vayyera, sec. 18, Sifra 1o2c, b.Ta'anit 16a, Mekhilta d'Rashbi, p.4, Tanh. Vayerra, sec. 23
II Sam 21, John 11:49-53, John 18:12-14
Great info on Atonement: http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/notes/index/show?noteKey=Atonement%28s%29%3F all pointing to Yeshua (Jesus)
Isaiah 53 is a bout Messiah
Yalkut Schimeon ( ascribed to Rabbi Simeon Kara, 12th Century ) says on
Zech.4:7: "He ( the king Messiah ) is greater than the patriarchs, as it is said, 'My servant shall be high, and lifted up, and lofty exceedingly' (Isa. 52:13)."
Pesiqta Rabbati (ca.845)on Isa. 61,10: "The world-fathers (patriarchs) will one day in the month of Nisan arise and say to (the Messiah): 'Ephraim, our righteous Anointed, although we are your grandparents, yet you are greater than we, for you have borne the sins of our children, as it says: 'But surely he has borne our sicknesses and carried our pains; yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God and afflicted. But he was pierced because of our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was laid upon him and through his wounds we are healed'(Isa.53,4-5)."
Rabbi Simeon Ben Jochai (2.Century), Zohar,, part II, page 212a and III,
page 218a, Amsterdam Ed.): "There is in the garden of Eden a palace called : 'The palace of the sons of sickness, <, this palace the Messiah enters, and summons every sickness, every pain, and every chastisement of Israel: they all come and rest upon Him. And were it not that He had thus lightened them off Israel, and taken them upon Himself, there had been no man able to bear Israels chastisement for the transgression of the law; this is that which is written, 'Surely our sicknesses he has carried' Isa.53,4).- As they tell Him (the Messiah) of the misery of Israel in their captivity, and of those wicked ones among them who are not attentive to know their Lord, He lifts up His voice and weeps for their wickedness; and so it is written,'He was wounded for our transgressions' (Isa.53,5). Midrash (on Ruth 2,14): "He is speaking of the King Messiah - 'Come hither', i.e.">Draw near to the throne<; 'eat of the bread', i.e.>, The bread of the kingdom.' This refers to the
chastisements<, as it is said, 'But he was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities' (Isa.53,5). Rabbi Elijah de Vidas (16.Century) : "The meaning of 'He was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities' is, that since the Messiah bears our iniquities which produce the ef fect of His being bruised, it follows that whoever will not
admit that Messiah thus suffers for our iniquities must endure and suffer for
them himself."
(1 Cor.5:6-8) Jn.12:37/ Rom.10:16/ Matt.8:16/ Acts 8:32/ Lk.22:37
Extra extra
Moshiach is more exalted (greater) than Moses. Messiah has three fold authority: kingly, priestly, and prophetic.Messiah teaches Torah as Judah's rulers staff connects with lawgiver.
Chassidu teaches that "Moshiach will teach Torah to the entire people, including Moshe (Moses) Rabbinu".
Rabbi Mosheh Ben Nachman (1250-1270 C.E.) "And so it is said in the Midrash, 'He will be higher than Abraham, more exalted than Moses, and loftier than the Ministering angels'; the Messiah, that is,.......And he will be more exalted than Moses:....
Isaiah 53 IS about Messiah
Rabbi Moses Maimonides (Rambam): "What is the manner of Messiah's advent....there shall rise up one of whom none have known before, and signs and wonders which they shall see performed by him will be the proofs of his true origin; for the Almighty, where he declares to us his mind upon this matter, says, `Behold a man whose name is the Branch, and he shall branch forth out of his place' (Zech. 6:12). And Isaiah speaks similarly of the time when he shall appear, without father or mother or family being known, He came up as a sucker before him, and as a root out of dry earth, etc....in the words of Isaiah, when describing the manner in which kings will harken to him, At him kings will shut their mouth; for that which had not been told them have they seen, and that which they had not heard they have perceived." (From the Letter to the South (Yemen), quoted in The Fifty-third Chapter of Isaiah According to the Jewish Interpreters, Ktav Publishing House, 1969, Volume 2, pages 374-5)
Zohar: "`He was wounded for our transgressions,' etc....There is
in the Garden of Eden a palace called the Palace of the Sons of Sickness; this
palace the Messiah then enters, and summons every sickness, every pain, and
every chastisement of Israel; they all come and rest upon him. And were it not
that he had thus lightened them off Israel and taken them upon himself, there
had been no man able to bear Israel's chastisements for the transgression of the
law: and this is that which is written, `Surely our sicknesses he hath
carried.'"
Babylonian Talmud: "The Messiah --what is his name?...The Rabbis say, The
Leper Scholar, as it is said, `surely he has borne our griefs and carried our
sorrows: yet we did esteem him a leper, smitten of God and
afflicted...'" (Sanhedrin 98b)
Is.53 Is about Mashiach
Rabbi Mosheh Kohen Ibn Crispin: This rabbi described those who interpret Isaiah 53 as referring to Israel as those:"having forsaken the knowledge of our Teachers, and inclined after the stubbornness of their own hearts,' and of their own opinion, I am pleased to interpret it, in accordance with the teaching
of our Rabbis, of the King Messiah....This prophecy was delivered by Isaiah at the divine command for the purpose of making known to us something about the nature of the future Messiah, who is to come and deliver Israel, and his life from the day when he arrives at discretion until his advent as a redeemer, in order that if anyone should arise claiming to be himself the Messiah, we may reflect, and look to see whether we can observe in him any resemblance to the traits described here; if there is any such resemblance, then we may believe that he is the Messiah our righteousness; but if not, we cannot do so." (From his commentary on Isaiah, quoted in The Fifty-third Chapter of Isaiah According to the Jewish Interpreters, Ktav Publishing House, 1969, Volume 2, pages 99-114.)
Although the Talmudic rabbis concurred that Isaiah 53 was a prediction of the Messiah, by medieval times the pressure from those who applied this prophecy to Jesus was so great that Rashi, that greatest medieval Biblical scholar, reinterpreted the chapter and said it referred to the nation of Israel. This interpretation is maintained today by many Jewish scholars, though it only dates back to the Middle Ages. -JewsForJesus
Jewish Targum declares Is.53 was about Mashiach long before Rashi (1040 –1105) attempted to change interpretation following Yeshua's crucifixion.
Also in referance to Is.53:
Rabbi Yafeth Ben Ali ( second half of the 10th Century):
"As for myself, I am inclined to regard it as alluding to the Messiah."
Many Talmudic comentaries say this is of Mashiach.
Talmud Sanhedrin (98b):
"Messiah ...what is his name? The Rabbis say,'The leprous one'; those of the house of the Rabbi (Jehuda Hanassi, the author of the Mishna, 135-200) say: 'Cholaja' (The sickly), for it says, 'Surely he has borne our sicknesses' etc. (Isa.53,4)."
Additions to the "Blood of Jesus" post:
Rom.3:24-25 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
1 Pet.1:2,18-19 (Rom.8:1-4)
1 Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Yeshua- Salvation of Yah/ Right Hand works (power) Christ fulfilled The Passover sacrifice 1 Cor.5:6-8/ Heb.2:14 (Lev.17:11/ Heb.9:22) Rev.12:10-11
Rom.5:1,9 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him
(Lev.16:7-9/ Heb.9:12-28)
Heb.2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he (Jesus) also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
An interesting passage in the Midrash reads, "Moses said to God, 'Will not the time come when Israel shall have neither Tabernacle nor Temple? What will happen with them then?' The Divine reply was, 'I will then take one of their righteous men and keep him as a pledge on their behalf so I may pardon [or atone for] all their sins." (Exodus Rabbah, Terumah 35:4). We have the same theme stated once again: When there is neither Tabernacle nor Temple, the life and death of the righteous will make atonement, just as we read earlier in Yeven Metzulah.
The Zohar supports this concept with a citation from Isaiah 53, the Messianic prophecy most widely quoted by Christians and Messianic Jews.
The children of the world are members of one another, and when the Holy One desires to give healing to the world, He smites one just man amongst them, and for his sake heals all the rest. Whence do we learn this? From the saying, "He was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities" [Isa. 53:5], i.e., by the letting of his blood – as when a man bleeds his arm – there was healing for us – for all the members of the body. In general a just person is only smitten in order to procure healing and atonement for a whole generation.
(seed / Is.53:10/ Also not the side margin in the companion bible on this verse if you have one!)
The Blood:Lev.17:11/ Matt.26:28/ Rom.5:9/ Rev.1:5/ Heb.9:22/ 1 Jn. 1:7
Here are the words of a respected Orthodox Jewish historian, Rabbi Berel Wein. How was it that the Jewish people survived the horrors of the massacres in Eastern Europe in the seventeenth century? According to Rabbi Wein:
Another consideration tinged the Jewish response to the slaughter of its people. It was an old Jewish tradition dating back to Biblical times that the death of the righteous and innocent served as an expiation for the sins of the nation or the world. The stories of Isaac and of Nadav and Avihu, the prophetic description of Israel as the long-suffering servant of the Lord, the sacrificial service in the Temple – all served to reinforce this basic concept of the death of the righteous as an atonement for the sins of other men. Jews nurtured this classic idea of death as an atonement, and this attitude towards their own tragedies was their constant companion throughout their turbulent exile. Therefore, the wholly bleak picture of unreasoning slaughter was somewhat relieved by the fact that the innocent did not die in vain and that the betterment of Israel and humankind somehow was advanced by their “stretching their neck to be slaughtered.” What is amazing is that this abstract, sophisticated, theological thought should have become so ingrained in the psyche of the people that even the least educated and most simplistic of Jews understood the lesson and acted upon it, giving up precious life in a soaring act of belief and affirmation of the better tomorrow. This spirit of the Jews is truly reflected in the historical chronicle of the time: “Would the Holy One, Blessed is He, dispense judgment without justice? But we may say that he whom God loves will be chastised. For since the day the Holy Temple was destroyed, the righteous are seized by death for the iniquities of the generation” (Yeven Metzulah, end of Chapter 15). 262 – Brown, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, Volume 2, Theological Objections, p. 155
Footnote 262: Berel Wein, The Triumph of Survival: The Story of the Jews in the Modern Era 1650-1990 (Brooklyn, N.Y.: Shaar, 1990), 14.
The Talmud (rabbinal tradtional studies NOT scripture) itself teaches that “the death of the righteous atones”(mitatan shel tsaddiqim mekapperet)
(Qatan28 comparision scripturs- Num. 19:1-20:1/Num. 20:25-28/ Ex.28(:38)) Rashi to Num. 20:1
Leviticus Rabbah 20:12, repeated elsewhere verbatim (e.g., y. Yoma 2:1, Pesikta deRav Kahana 26:16): “Rabbi Hiyya Bar Abba said: The sons of Aaron [i.e. Nadab and Abihu] died the first day of Nisan. Why then does the Torah mention their death in conjunction with the Day of Atonement [which occurred on the tenth of Tishrei; see Lev. 16:1]? It is to teach that just as the Day of Atonement atones, so also the death of the righteous atones.” 265 – Brown, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, Volume 2, Theological Objections, p. 155-156
Footnote 264 (roshi)
Footnote 265: Ginzberg, Legends of the Jews, 3:191, cites Sifre Deuteronomy 31: “The death of the pious man is a greater misfortune to Israel than the Temples’ burning to ashes.” For further references to the atoning power of the death of the righteous, see Ginzberg, Legends of the Jews, 6:75, n. 386; 6:107, n. 602.
Babylonian Talmud Shabbat 32a For whoever ascends the scaffold to be punished, if he has great advocates he is saved, but if not he is not saved. And these are man's advocates: repentance and good deeds. And even if nine hundred and ninety-nine argue for his guilt, while one argues in his favour, he is saved, for it is said, If there be with him an angel, an advocate, one among a thousand, To shew unto man what is right for him; Then he is gracious unto him, and saith, Deliver him from going down to the pit, etc.18 R. Eliezer the son of R. Jose the Galilean said: Even if nine hundred and ninety-nine parts of that angel are in his disfavour and one part is in his favour, be is saved, for it is said, 'an advocate, one part in a thousand'.
33b For R. Gorion-others state, R. Joseph son of R. Shemaiah-said: When there are righteous men in the generation, the righteous are seized [by death] for the [sins of the] generation; when there are no righteous in a generation, school-children are seized for the generation. great link on the subject
Zohar 2:212a As long as Israel dwelt in te holy land the rituals and the sacrifices they performed in the temple removed all those diseases from the world, Now Messiah removes them from the children of the world.
Babylonian Talmud Mo'ed Qatan 28a
Said R Ammi Wherefore is the account of Miriam's death placed next to the red heifer? To inform you that even as the red hiefer afforded atonement (by the ritual use of its ashes) so does the death of the righteous afford atonement (for the living that they have left behind)
R Eleasar said wherefore is (the account of) Aarons death closley followed by (the account of the disposal of) the priestly vestments? (To inform you) that just as the preists vestments were means to effect attonement, so is the death of the righteous conductive to procuring atonement
(Miriam is sister of Moses btw)
death was atoneing for Israel
Example brazen serpent on the pole Moses raised up /
King Saul killed the Gibianites as act of atonement was was approved of by Hashem. Phinehas (Phineas/Phinias/Pinchas) killing two in act of rebellion (fornication) put aside wrath of Hashem against Israel (Num.25:1-12).
2 Sam 21 David took some of Sauls relatives that remained and killed them, following this God answered the prayers on behalf of the land (again atonement).
(Is.53) Messiah is redeemer! (1 Cor.5:6-8/ Heb.10:12)
(Jn.11:49-53 - one man atones/ Jn. 18:12-14 one man die for the people- Jewish tradtion)
4th Maccabees ^(apocrypha) death of righteous being atoneing for the people)
binding of Isaac!......
Blood of Jesus
4 1 & all times in Yeshua-
Heb.10 speaks about how the physical sacrifices (atonements) leading up to the crusifixtion all pointing to the fulflimment in Yeshua Ha-Mashiach
Heb.10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.,18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. (Col.2:17)
Matt.26:26-29 (vs.28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins)
Rom.5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rev.1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Jn.11:49-53; And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.(18:14)
Eph.1:7; In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ (Jn.3:16) Gal.3:24-29! (*Lk.17:21/ Matt.24:23,26/ Dan9:27;11:36;12:11/ 2 Thess.2 We partake of the bread and wine and have victory today we dont seek modernday animal sacrifice, the anti will seek to pervert our communion with Jesus/ Be Armed and Alert)
The Jewish concept regarding the death of the righteous atoning for the sins of the people.
Zohar 2:212a, Babylonian Talmud Mo'ed Qatan 28a, Shabbat 32a, 33b, Leviticus Rabbah 20:12, Yoma 2:1, Pesikta deRav Kahana 26:16, Exodus Rabbah, Terumah 35:4, b. Sotah 14a, b. Berakhot 32a, Mekhilta 2a, m.Negaim 2:1, Zohar pt. III, fol. 218a, Amsterdam edition, 4th Maccabees 6:28-29, 13:12, 16:20, 17:22, Tanhuma, Vayyera, sec. 18, Sifra 1o2c, b.Ta'anit 16a, Mekhilta d'Rashbi, p.4, Tanh. Vayerra, sec. 23
II Sam 21, John 11:49-53, John 18:12-14
Great info on Atonement: http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/notes/index/show?noteKey=Atonement%28s%29%3F all pointing to Yeshua (Jesus)
Isaiah 53 is a bout Messiah
Yalkut Schimeon ( ascribed to Rabbi Simeon Kara, 12th Century ) says on
Zech.4:7: "He ( the king Messiah ) is greater than the patriarchs, as it is said, 'My servant shall be high, and lifted up, and lofty exceedingly' (Isa. 52:13)."
Pesiqta Rabbati (ca.845)on Isa. 61,10: "The world-fathers (patriarchs) will one day in the month of Nisan arise and say to (the Messiah): 'Ephraim, our righteous Anointed, although we are your grandparents, yet you are greater than we, for you have borne the sins of our children, as it says: 'But surely he has borne our sicknesses and carried our pains; yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God and afflicted. But he was pierced because of our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was laid upon him and through his wounds we are healed'(Isa.53,4-5)."
Rabbi Simeon Ben Jochai (2.Century), Zohar,, part II, page 212a and III,
page 218a, Amsterdam Ed.): "There is in the garden of Eden a palace called : 'The palace of the sons of sickness, <, this palace the Messiah enters, and summons every sickness, every pain, and every chastisement of Israel: they all come and rest upon Him. And were it not that He had thus lightened them off Israel, and taken them upon Himself, there had been no man able to bear Israels chastisement for the transgression of the law; this is that which is written, 'Surely our sicknesses he has carried' Isa.53,4).- As they tell Him (the Messiah) of the misery of Israel in their captivity, and of those wicked ones among them who are not attentive to know their Lord, He lifts up His voice and weeps for their wickedness; and so it is written,'He was wounded for our transgressions' (Isa.53,5). Midrash (on Ruth 2,14): "He is speaking of the King Messiah - 'Come hither', i.e.">Draw near to the throne<; 'eat of the bread', i.e.>, The bread of the kingdom.' This refers to the
chastisements<, as it is said, 'But he was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities' (Isa.53,5). Rabbi Elijah de Vidas (16.Century) : "The meaning of 'He was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities' is, that since the Messiah bears our iniquities which produce the ef fect of His being bruised, it follows that whoever will not
admit that Messiah thus suffers for our iniquities must endure and suffer for
them himself."
(1 Cor.5:6-8) Jn.12:37/ Rom.10:16/ Matt.8:16/ Acts 8:32/ Lk.22:37
Extra extra
Moshiach is more exalted (greater) than Moses. Messiah has three fold authority: kingly, priestly, and prophetic.Messiah teaches Torah as Judah's rulers staff connects with lawgiver.
Chassidu teaches that "Moshiach will teach Torah to the entire people, including Moshe (Moses) Rabbinu".
Rabbi Mosheh Ben Nachman (1250-1270 C.E.) "And so it is said in the Midrash, 'He will be higher than Abraham, more exalted than Moses, and loftier than the Ministering angels'; the Messiah, that is,.......And he will be more exalted than Moses:....
Isaiah 53 IS about Messiah
Rabbi Moses Maimonides (Rambam): "What is the manner of Messiah's advent....there shall rise up one of whom none have known before, and signs and wonders which they shall see performed by him will be the proofs of his true origin; for the Almighty, where he declares to us his mind upon this matter, says, `Behold a man whose name is the Branch, and he shall branch forth out of his place' (Zech. 6:12). And Isaiah speaks similarly of the time when he shall appear, without father or mother or family being known, He came up as a sucker before him, and as a root out of dry earth, etc....in the words of Isaiah, when describing the manner in which kings will harken to him, At him kings will shut their mouth; for that which had not been told them have they seen, and that which they had not heard they have perceived." (From the Letter to the South (Yemen), quoted in The Fifty-third Chapter of Isaiah According to the Jewish Interpreters, Ktav Publishing House, 1969, Volume 2, pages 374-5)
Zohar: "`He was wounded for our transgressions,' etc....There is
in the Garden of Eden a palace called the Palace of the Sons of Sickness; this
palace the Messiah then enters, and summons every sickness, every pain, and
every chastisement of Israel; they all come and rest upon him. And were it not
that he had thus lightened them off Israel and taken them upon himself, there
had been no man able to bear Israel's chastisements for the transgression of the
law: and this is that which is written, `Surely our sicknesses he hath
carried.'"
Babylonian Talmud: "The Messiah --what is his name?...The Rabbis say, The
Leper Scholar, as it is said, `surely he has borne our griefs and carried our
sorrows: yet we did esteem him a leper, smitten of God and
afflicted...'" (Sanhedrin 98b)
Is.53 Is about Mashiach
Rabbi Mosheh Kohen Ibn Crispin: This rabbi described those who interpret Isaiah 53 as referring to Israel as those:"having forsaken the knowledge of our Teachers, and inclined after the stubbornness of their own hearts,' and of their own opinion, I am pleased to interpret it, in accordance with the teaching
of our Rabbis, of the King Messiah....This prophecy was delivered by Isaiah at the divine command for the purpose of making known to us something about the nature of the future Messiah, who is to come and deliver Israel, and his life from the day when he arrives at discretion until his advent as a redeemer, in order that if anyone should arise claiming to be himself the Messiah, we may reflect, and look to see whether we can observe in him any resemblance to the traits described here; if there is any such resemblance, then we may believe that he is the Messiah our righteousness; but if not, we cannot do so." (From his commentary on Isaiah, quoted in The Fifty-third Chapter of Isaiah According to the Jewish Interpreters, Ktav Publishing House, 1969, Volume 2, pages 99-114.)
Although the Talmudic rabbis concurred that Isaiah 53 was a prediction of the Messiah, by medieval times the pressure from those who applied this prophecy to Jesus was so great that Rashi, that greatest medieval Biblical scholar, reinterpreted the chapter and said it referred to the nation of Israel. This interpretation is maintained today by many Jewish scholars, though it only dates back to the Middle Ages. -JewsForJesus
Jewish Targum declares Is.53 was about Mashiach long before Rashi (1040 –1105) attempted to change interpretation following Yeshua's crucifixion.
Also in referance to Is.53:
Rabbi Yafeth Ben Ali ( second half of the 10th Century):
"As for myself, I am inclined to regard it as alluding to the Messiah."
Many Talmudic comentaries say this is of Mashiach.
Talmud Sanhedrin (98b):
"Messiah ...what is his name? The Rabbis say,'The leprous one'; those of the house of the Rabbi (Jehuda Hanassi, the author of the Mishna, 135-200) say: 'Cholaja' (The sickly), for it says, 'Surely he has borne our sicknesses' etc. (Isa.53,4)."
Additions to the "Blood of Jesus" post:
Rom.3:24-25 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
1 Pet.1:2,18-19 (Rom.8:1-4)
1 Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Yeshua- Salvation of Yah/ Right Hand works (power) Christ fulfilled The Passover sacrifice 1 Cor.5:6-8/ Heb.2:14 (Lev.17:11/ Heb.9:22) Rev.12:10-11
Rom.5:1,9 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him
(Lev.16:7-9/ Heb.9:12-28)
Heb.2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he (Jesus) also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
An interesting passage in the Midrash reads, "Moses said to God, 'Will not the time come when Israel shall have neither Tabernacle nor Temple? What will happen with them then?' The Divine reply was, 'I will then take one of their righteous men and keep him as a pledge on their behalf so I may pardon [or atone for] all their sins." (Exodus Rabbah, Terumah 35:4). We have the same theme stated once again: When there is neither Tabernacle nor Temple, the life and death of the righteous will make atonement, just as we read earlier in Yeven Metzulah.
The Zohar supports this concept with a citation from Isaiah 53, the Messianic prophecy most widely quoted by Christians and Messianic Jews.
The children of the world are members of one another, and when the Holy One desires to give healing to the world, He smites one just man amongst them, and for his sake heals all the rest. Whence do we learn this? From the saying, "He was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities" [Isa. 53:5], i.e., by the letting of his blood – as when a man bleeds his arm – there was healing for us – for all the members of the body. In general a just person is only smitten in order to procure healing and atonement for a whole generation.
(seed / Is.53:10/ Also not the side margin in the companion bible on this verse if you have one!)
The Blood:Lev.17:11/ Matt.26:28/ Rom.5:9/ Rev.1:5/ Heb.9:22/ 1 Jn. 1:7
Here are the words of a respected Orthodox Jewish historian, Rabbi Berel Wein. How was it that the Jewish people survived the horrors of the massacres in Eastern Europe in the seventeenth century? According to Rabbi Wein:
Another consideration tinged the Jewish response to the slaughter of its people. It was an old Jewish tradition dating back to Biblical times that the death of the righteous and innocent served as an expiation for the sins of the nation or the world. The stories of Isaac and of Nadav and Avihu, the prophetic description of Israel as the long-suffering servant of the Lord, the sacrificial service in the Temple – all served to reinforce this basic concept of the death of the righteous as an atonement for the sins of other men. Jews nurtured this classic idea of death as an atonement, and this attitude towards their own tragedies was their constant companion throughout their turbulent exile. Therefore, the wholly bleak picture of unreasoning slaughter was somewhat relieved by the fact that the innocent did not die in vain and that the betterment of Israel and humankind somehow was advanced by their “stretching their neck to be slaughtered.” What is amazing is that this abstract, sophisticated, theological thought should have become so ingrained in the psyche of the people that even the least educated and most simplistic of Jews understood the lesson and acted upon it, giving up precious life in a soaring act of belief and affirmation of the better tomorrow. This spirit of the Jews is truly reflected in the historical chronicle of the time: “Would the Holy One, Blessed is He, dispense judgment without justice? But we may say that he whom God loves will be chastised. For since the day the Holy Temple was destroyed, the righteous are seized by death for the iniquities of the generation” (Yeven Metzulah, end of Chapter 15). 262 – Brown, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, Volume 2, Theological Objections, p. 155
Footnote 262: Berel Wein, The Triumph of Survival: The Story of the Jews in the Modern Era 1650-1990 (Brooklyn, N.Y.: Shaar, 1990), 14.
The Talmud (rabbinal tradtional studies NOT scripture) itself teaches that “the death of the righteous atones”(mitatan shel tsaddiqim mekapperet)
(Qatan28 comparision scripturs- Num. 19:1-20:1/Num. 20:25-28/ Ex.28(:38)) Rashi to Num. 20:1
Leviticus Rabbah 20:12, repeated elsewhere verbatim (e.g., y. Yoma 2:1, Pesikta deRav Kahana 26:16): “Rabbi Hiyya Bar Abba said: The sons of Aaron [i.e. Nadab and Abihu] died the first day of Nisan. Why then does the Torah mention their death in conjunction with the Day of Atonement [which occurred on the tenth of Tishrei; see Lev. 16:1]? It is to teach that just as the Day of Atonement atones, so also the death of the righteous atones.” 265 – Brown, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, Volume 2, Theological Objections, p. 155-156
Footnote 264 (roshi)
Footnote 265: Ginzberg, Legends of the Jews, 3:191, cites Sifre Deuteronomy 31: “The death of the pious man is a greater misfortune to Israel than the Temples’ burning to ashes.” For further references to the atoning power of the death of the righteous, see Ginzberg, Legends of the Jews, 6:75, n. 386; 6:107, n. 602.
Babylonian Talmud Shabbat 32a For whoever ascends the scaffold to be punished, if he has great advocates he is saved, but if not he is not saved. And these are man's advocates: repentance and good deeds. And even if nine hundred and ninety-nine argue for his guilt, while one argues in his favour, he is saved, for it is said, If there be with him an angel, an advocate, one among a thousand, To shew unto man what is right for him; Then he is gracious unto him, and saith, Deliver him from going down to the pit, etc.18 R. Eliezer the son of R. Jose the Galilean said: Even if nine hundred and ninety-nine parts of that angel are in his disfavour and one part is in his favour, be is saved, for it is said, 'an advocate, one part in a thousand'.
33b For R. Gorion-others state, R. Joseph son of R. Shemaiah-said: When there are righteous men in the generation, the righteous are seized [by death] for the [sins of the] generation; when there are no righteous in a generation, school-children are seized for the generation. great link on the subject
Zohar 2:212a As long as Israel dwelt in te holy land the rituals and the sacrifices they performed in the temple removed all those diseases from the world, Now Messiah removes them from the children of the world.
Babylonian Talmud Mo'ed Qatan 28a
Said R Ammi Wherefore is the account of Miriam's death placed next to the red heifer? To inform you that even as the red hiefer afforded atonement (by the ritual use of its ashes) so does the death of the righteous afford atonement (for the living that they have left behind)
R Eleasar said wherefore is (the account of) Aarons death closley followed by (the account of the disposal of) the priestly vestments? (To inform you) that just as the preists vestments were means to effect attonement, so is the death of the righteous conductive to procuring atonement
(Miriam is sister of Moses btw)
death was atoneing for Israel
Example brazen serpent on the pole Moses raised up /
King Saul killed the Gibianites as act of atonement was was approved of by Hashem. Phinehas (Phineas/Phinias/Pinchas) killing two in act of rebellion (fornication) put aside wrath of Hashem against Israel (Num.25:1-12).
2 Sam 21 David took some of Sauls relatives that remained and killed them, following this God answered the prayers on behalf of the land (again atonement).
(Is.53) Messiah is redeemer! (1 Cor.5:6-8/ Heb.10:12)
(Jn.11:49-53 - one man atones/ Jn. 18:12-14 one man die for the people- Jewish tradtion)
4th Maccabees ^(apocrypha) death of righteous being atoneing for the people)
binding of Isaac!......
Blood of Jesus
4 1 & all times in Yeshua-
Heb.10 speaks about how the physical sacrifices (atonements) leading up to the crusifixtion all pointing to the fulflimment in Yeshua Ha-Mashiach
Heb.10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.,18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. (Col.2:17)
Matt.26:26-29 (vs.28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins)
Rom.5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rev.1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Jn.11:49-53; And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.(18:14)
Eph.1:7; In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ (Jn.3:16) Gal.3:24-29! (*Lk.17:21/ Matt.24:23,26/ Dan9:27;11:36;12:11/ 2 Thess.2 We partake of the bread and wine and have victory today we dont seek modernday animal sacrifice, the anti will seek to pervert our communion with Jesus/ Be Armed and Alert)
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