Wednesday, March 4, 2015

purim observances

Recording discussion:
An Israeli Purim costume poses a question of talmudic complexity -- what color is this dress?
Will Hindsman Im confused is a man dressed in womans clothing relative to the Tanakh ("Purim")? Perhaps i will be told im being to critical, to have a sense of humor.
Lisa Reiss It's a part of the traditions of observing Purim. Dressing up in costumes, satire, not knowing the difference between Mordechai and Haman, etc.
Will Hindsman Are there not set gender roles in the Tanakh? Is dressing like this (even by tradition) in relation to religion not an oxymoron? I am not trying to be obnoxious just honest questions
Hanokh Travis Eliezar Yes it is forbidden for a man to wear specifically female clothes (and vice versa for women). Many people will follow this prohibition on Purim as well, but one of the more significant scholars of the Middle Ages ruled that it is allowed as part of a Purim costume because the intention of the clothing is only for the celebration of Purim. Another important thing to note, is that this guy is clearly not a religious Jew...
Lisa Reiss Will, Purim is a unique holiday in many ways. We're also supposed to get drunk enough to not be able to tell the difference between Mordechai and Haman as part of the holiday's observance where otherwise, the Tanach repeatedly speaks against excess alcohol.
Will Hindsman Well then it seems Purim encourages people to stray from Hashem by traditions (of man) according to what im reading here 
Lisa Reiss No, Purim is observed as we are supposed to per the Tanach. I understand that it's particularly difficult for many Christians such as yourself to understand actual Judaism and our observances as opposed to what you think Judaism is. 

That whole 'traditions of man' thing is a Church/NT pejorative against Judaism. We Jews are just fine in following the path given to us by HaShem.

Will Hindsman I could also make claims that you dont understand Judaism but I rather not, Well can anyone show me bible verses that support what yall are telling me. I know the story of the deliverance of the Jewish people in the ancient Persian Empire is Commemorated with the modern day observances but i cant see any support in the Tanach where the people are told to set aside times to "Dress up costumes", to transgress gender roles, " supposed to get drunk enough to not be able to tell the difference between Mordechai and Haman "... These comments make it rather clear these are traditions, and celibrations, but where are the people told to do this?... You say the whole traditions of men" thing is a church pejorative (whatever that means) against Judaism. In the shema we are told to Put G-D first not to allow men to draw us away from observing Torah. Sounds like yall are justifying traditions Over the ways of Hashem. Honestly reminds me of Jer.17:5 & Deut.5:32/ Anyway Im all for celibrating and remembrance of victories of biblical history but I dont see how anyone calling themselves religious Jews can do this while embracing transgression of G-D's standards laid down in the tanakh. So I am not concerned about how you want to judge me. I see the Tanach as laying down the standard that was delievered unto Israel (Judaism) Not modern traditions. You have Takanot and so on so be it but when it goes against what you already were given you are clearly adding to (Deut.4:2/ Deut.12:32 / Proverbs 30:6 / Is. 29:13 ) what you were given which is a transgression in of of its self.Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Pro.3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; And lean not unto thine own understanding / Pro.1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction / Pro.14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Thanks for sharing anyways. Do what ya do and may you put all that you are into what you do.

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