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Job.38:13
That it might take hold of the "ends" of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? / Job38/....... .38: As for the "ends"/"corners" (*Job.38:13) of the earth.. Understanding of Hebrew idoms and Jewish symbology acknow...ledges that corners represent completeness and Torah which is why you put tzitzits on the corners of the garment (vs.14). Its related to Foundations (vs.4), The foundation being Torah (thats what our fruits should reflect). The wicked shall be seperated from the foundation (the Rock)of creation (Job.38:13). Biblically we relate the sphere of the world to the directions that round it! That is why you see mention of the four winds (Rev.7:1,3/ Mk.13:27/ Matt.24:31).

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Rev.7:1,3 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Matt.24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mk.13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven

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In the NT it says the four winds (north south east and west/Example Zech.2:6)/ The End/ are (is) held back until the elect are sealed So that it will the the wicked that are taken out of the way which is what Job.38:13 is pointing to in the Tanakh/ btw breath and wind relate to spirit and its the spirits that will be judged (sealed) so if you understand you will see how all this relatesSee More

Is.40:22* "It is he that sitteth upon the circle (Hebrew#2329- 'Chug') of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"...... The Word used here does NOT mean flat at all rather it (chug) means: Circuit, vault i.e. as far as one can see around or above (ROUND/ Sphere)/ (aslo see Job.22:14/ Pro.8:27)..... Only in modern science has man (Nasa) been able to physically document that the universe is expanding however we can see mention of it here as well as mention that the earth is round which history claims that many once thought it was flat. Science (man) continues to play catch up with the Word. (science being mans best attempt to physically documents the ways of Physical creation.) Anyone interested in truth questions anything (weather it be in relation to science or Faith). The Word even says Study to show thyself approved and NOT to trust in man or lean unto thy own understanding. The Word goes on to say that Faith itself requires "EVIDENCE". Heb.11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Carnal knowledge simpley doesnt compare to Spiritual understanding. we are told least ye are born again (spiritual eyes and ears) you can not see (comprehend) the kingdom (SPIRITUAL truths) / "As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene....No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life." --Albert Einstein// Proverbs.9:10 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding"

Zech.14:5 (day of the LORD vs.1) "And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee" (Matt.24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains) ... - to "Azal": To the height of the mountaintops that are from either side. So did Menahem classify this (Machbereth p. 32), with (Isa. 41:9) “and from its nobles I called you.” Its meaning is an expression of height. -Rashi / Is.41:9 Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away./ Bullinger- (Zech.14:5 "the mountatins"= My Mountains. So called because of the physicalchange which HE will yet bring about, in the twonew mounts formed out of One. Azal- a new place, yet to have this name, at one extemity of the valley. Azal (atsel)- From H680; noble; Atsel, the name of an Israelite, and of a place in Palestine: - Azal, Azel. From atsal- A primitive root; properly to join; used only as a denominative from H681; to *separate; hence to *select, refuse, contract: - *keep, *reserve, straiten, *take.
Matt 24:36-44
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Lk.17:32-37 (as in days on Noah vs.26-27 and days of Sodom/Lot vs 28-29)
Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Feel free to discuss. A few points of interest to discuss could be:

* Who is taken?
"taken" Greek # 3880 to receive near, that is, associate with oneself (in any familiar or intimate act or relation); by analogy to assume an office; figuratively to learn: - receive, take (unto, with).
* Who is left?
("left" Greek # 863
(to send; an intensive form of to send forth, in various applications: - cry, forgive, forsake, lay aside, leave, let (alone, be, go, have), omit, put (send) away, remit, suffer, yield up.)
* Who is the Thief?
(may want to consider 1 Thess 5:2-4/ 2 Pet.3:10)
* Which one is Blessed? (the one "taken" or the one "left")
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Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matt.13:30

Job.38:13 That it might take hold of the "ends" of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? / Job38/....... .38: As for the "ends"/"corners" (*Job.38:13) of the earth.. Understanding of Hebrew idoms and Jewish symbology acknow...ledges that corners represent completeness and Torah which is why you put tzitzits on the corners of the garment (vs.14). Its related to Foundations (vs.4), The foundation being Torah (thats what our fruits should reflect). The wicked shall be seperated from the foundation (the Rock)of creation (Job.38:13). Biblically we relate the sphere of the world to the directions that round it! That is why you see mention of the four winds (Rev.7:1,3/ Mk.13:27/ Matt.24:31).
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Rev.7:1,3 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Matt.24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mk.13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven
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In the NT it says the four winds (north south east and west/Example Zech.2:6)/ The End/ are (is) held back until the elect are sealed So that it will the the wicked that are taken out of the way which is what Job.38:13 is pointing to in the Tanakh/ btw breath and wind relate to spirit and its the spirits that will be judged (sealed) so if you understand you will see how all this relatesSee More

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Is.40:22* "It is he that sitteth upon the circle (Hebrew#2329- 'Chug') of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"...... The Word used here does NOT mean flat at all rather it (chug) means: Circuit, vault i.e. as far as one can see around or above (ROUND/ Sphere)/ (aslo see Job.22:14/ Pro.8:27)..... Only in modern science has man (Nasa) been able to physically document that the universe is expanding however we can see mention of it here as well as mention that the earth is round which history claims that many once thought it was flat. Science (man) continues to play catch up with the Word. (science being mans best attempt to physically documents the ways of Physical creation.) Anyone interested in truth questions anything (weather it be in relation to science or Faith). The Word even says Study to show thyself approved and NOT to trust in man or lean unto thy own understanding. The Word goes on to say that Faith itself requires "EVIDENCE". Heb.11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Carnal knowledge simpley doesnt compare to Spiritual understanding. we are told least ye are born again (spiritual eyes and ears) you can not see (comprehend) the kingdom (SPIRITUAL truths) / "As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene....No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life." --Albert Einstein// Proverbs.9:10 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding"

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Zech.14:5 (day of the LORD vs.1) "And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee" (Matt.24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains) ... - to "Azal": To the height of the mountaintops that are from either side. So did Menahem classify this (Machbereth p. 32), with (Isa. 41:9) “and from its nobles I called you.” Its meaning is an expression of height. -Rashi / Is.41:9 Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away./ Bullinger- (Zech.14:5 "the mountatins"= My Mountains. So called because of the physicalchange which HE will yet bring about, in the twonew mounts formed out of One. Azal- a new place, yet to have this name, at one extemity of the valley. Azal (atsel)- From H680; noble; Atsel, the name of an Israelite, and of a place in Palestine: - Azal, Azel. From atsal- A primitive root; properly to join; used only as a denominative from H681; to *separate; hence to *select, refuse, contract: - *keep, *reserve, straiten, *take. (Matt.24:36-44)

 

The Great Tribulation (apostacy) of the antichrist is differ and prior to the coming judgement of God (1st and 2nd resurrections/ 1st& 2nd death). To those not in covenant at his coming he shall come to them as a thief in the night with Wrath. To his people in covenant he shall not bring wrath upon. The seperation of the tares and wheat happen at hravest (when All are changed).
2 THess.1:7-8 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: (Note tribulation mentioned in vs 6)
(Lk.21:34-36 (note trib mentioned in prior verses)/ Rom.8:35-39/ Jn.17:14-19/(Lk.12:4-5)

1 Thess.5:2-6/ Rev.22:7/ 2 Pet.3:10

face to face

What does it mean to say one communes "Face to Face" with YHVH? Many people who lack spiritual understanding express the claim that the bible contradicts itself when it says no man has seen God "face to face" and then it describes some seeing (talking with) him "face to face.
- Jn.1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.(Ex.23:23)
- Ex.33:(vs.11) And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. (Jn.15:15) And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle. (Deut.34:10)
To say one communes with one "face to face" isnt spacifically intended to be taken in the literal (phy) sense. Here in vs.11 the terminology is a Hebraism which means a close relation (1 on 1), direct communication/ communion as the verse emphasises with "as a man speaketh unto his friend". This is Not the same (Literal) sense as in:
- (Vs. 20) And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
(Christians: Note the ROCK in Ex.33:21-23 that made it possible for Moses to enter into such a close relation with YHVH).
Here in Ex. 33:20 we are basically told that phy. man can not phy. see Hashem while in the flesh. This is a more Literal sense of "face to face".

- Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. (Gen.16:13)
We know this one that Jacob (and Hagar) are reffering to is the Angel of The LORD. This verse relates back to Gen.16:9; (32:24). / Note Gen.32:30 "G-d" (not G-D or LORD) is translation from Elohim and NOT Y.H.V.H. and this is clearly the Angel of the Lord with further conformation in vs.14 "Man" (eesh)

For the Spiritual to interact with the Phy in a Phy way a vehicle is used. (example: flesh is the vehicle our spirits use to interact with the phy. in a phy. way.) We are made in the same image (Likeness) as the angels. Gen. describes These angels as eating phy. food and it sustaining them and Gen. also mentions man (Israel) partaking of angels food in the wilderness.
The Angel of The LORD is Mashiach (Messiah) prior to phy. birth. Mashiach is known as the right hand (Power and works) of YHVH (in realtion to creation/ phy realm) and also called Adon which is LORD as IN the earth. We are told you see the Father in ones works/ word/ fruits. If one can comprehend Jn.12:44-45 in truth he would know the hebraism used in the Torah.
- Jn. 12:44-45 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me
- Jn.14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? (In this passage Yeshua/Jesus is speaking of his fruits/ works/ word being that of the Father/ Emmanuel) Jn.5:36/ Heb.1:1-4/... The flesh man is differ than the born again Jn.5:37-47! (slumber)/ (1 Tim.3:16 / 1 Cor.12:3)

Abraham (Gen.17,18 &19)also came into direct contact with The angel of The LORD. These beings are described as "angels"/"men"/ and one is called "the LORD". (Gen.17:1 / Gen.18:1 "The LORD"/ Gen.18:2 "three men"/ Gen.18:3 "My Lord"/ Gen.18:13 "the LORD"/ vs.14 "the LORD"/ vs.16 "men"/ vs.20 "the LORD"/ vs.22"men" / vs.33 "the LORD"/ Gen.19:1 "two angels" Two of the ones reffered to as men are now called angels.) Melchizedek


- Ex.24:11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw (H#2372) God (Elohim/ #430) , and did eat and drink.(vs.8 blood of the covenant Heb.9:20) Hebrew - chazah- #2372- A primative root; to gaze at; mentally to percieve, contemplate (with pleasure); specifically to have a vision of- behold, look, prophacy, provide, see./ Rather than the other Hebrew word which also is translated to see/ or "saw": #7200- raah- prim. root to see, literal or figurative in numerouse applications,....

- Job.42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. Compare to Job.42:3 / Shama- hear and observe (understanding). Heb.11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Biblical faith consists of evidence which is the same thing Job is sharing. He expressed that he had been told of G-d but now his eye (H# 5869 ahyin- literally OR FIGURATIVELY - by affliction, outward appearance, favor, perception, .... ) (H #7200- raah- literally or Figuratively- approve, behold, Have Experience, take heed, reguard, ......

Who has seen God? Who has a relationship (Is one) with God?
Judges 13:22 (Samson's parents saw God)
Ex.24:9-11 (Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, and 70 elders of Israel)
Ex.6:3 (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob)
Jn.12/14 (the disciples)
Rev.1 (John)
What phy. man has been in has been in contact with YHVH defacto? None, the closest one was Moses but even then it was made possible by Mashiach.

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Your Temple/ Body

- Gen.1:27 God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
- 1 Thess.4:3-5 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
- Gal.5:16-26 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
(Works of the flesh)
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
(Fruit of the Spirit)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another
- 1 Cor.3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are
- 1 Cor.9:27 But I keep (discipline) under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
- 1 Cor.6:16-20 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
- 1 Cor.12:13,27 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit/ Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular
- 1 Cor.15:44,53-58 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body./ For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
- 1 Cor.5:6-8Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. (Jn.4:24)
- 2 Cor.6:14-18 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
- Rom.12:1-5 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. (Matt.5:29-30/ Matt.6:22)
- Rom.13:1-14 (2 Pet.2:10)
- 2 Pet.2
- Phil.1:20 According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
- Rom.14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
- 1 Cor.10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God
- Jn.2:19-21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body (1 Cor.11:24/ Matt.26:26 / 1 Pet.2:24/ Heb.2:14/ Rom.5:10/ 1 Cor.5:6-8/ Eph.2:15)
- Jas.2:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
- Matt.16:24-26 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
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(Lev.19:28/ Eph.6:5-17/ 1 Cor.7:3-5/ 2 Cor.10:5/ Rom.8:23/ ...)
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Judah/ David/& Yeshua(same line/Jews) where described as having a ruddy (1 Sam.17:42) completion (to show blood in the face/blush/white or light skinned) and haveing dark (brown) eyes (Gen.49:12).

David was described as being (H#132) 'admônı̂y- red (ruddy) "reddish (of the hair or the *complexion): - red, ruddy (1 Sam.17:42). "Adam" (H#120)in Gen carries this same context (Gen.1:26) 'âdâm ruddy, that is, a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.): - X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person. from a root that is---- (H#119)'âdam which means "To show blood (in the face), that is, flush or turn rosy: - be (dyed, made) red (ruddy)."
 Is this a literal red? Yes ("red" "complexion" in relation to showing blood in the face so if not constantly a "reddish" then at least light enough to blush and be "flush".)

"Black" is used in relation to the skin to describe afflictions (spiritual and physical states) NOT race. Sadly "black Hebrew Israelites" like to pervert the context of these verses and just focuss on the "black skin" in their attempts to replace Judah. This requires totally ignoring the Surrounding texts in all of thease areas.

Examples:
> Lam.5:10 Our skin was black like an oven *because of the terrible famine. (Thus it has NOTHING to do with their Race. Its a statement of degredation much like repenting in ash and sack cloth .)
Honestly i find it rather notable that most members of the "Black Hebrew Israelites" never seem to get around to sharing Torah or the Gospel in any real fashion cause they put all their time and effort into highlighting and exhaulting their race.

> Job.30:30 "My skin grows black and peels; my body burns with fever. "
kjv- "My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat."
 עוֹרִי שָׁחַר מֵעָלָי וְעַצְמִי חָרָה מִנִּי חֹרֶב:
Heb. חרה, an expression of a thing that is burned and dried through the heat of the fire, like (Jer. 6:29), “The bellows is heated (נחר) ” ; (Ezek. 15: 4), “and the middle of it is burned (נחר).”
Whats the surrounding scriptures?

> Job.30:26-31
When I looked for good, then evil came unto me: and when I waited for light, there came darkness.  My bowels boiled, and rested not: the days of affliction prevented me. I went mourning without the sun: I stood up, and I cried in the congregation. I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls. My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat. My harp also is turned to mourning, and my organ into the voice of them that weep.
this AGAIN SHOWS affliction.

> Songs 1:5-6 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.
........(Its obvious black isnt in relation to his race but Again in relation to affliction thus why he says look not upon me cause i am black. Its not a shame to be of a black race.) You, my friends, let me not be light in your eyes even if my husband has left me because of my blackness, for I am black because of the sun’s gaze, but I am comely with the shape of beautiful limbs, and if I am black as the tents of Kedar, which are blackened by the rain, for they are constantly spread out in the deserts, I am easily cleansed to be like the curtains of Solomon. The allegory is that the congregation of Israel says to the nations: I am black in my deeds, but I am comely in the deeds of my ancestors, and even some of my deeds are comely. If I am guilty of the iniquity of the [Golden] Calf, I can counter it with the merit of the acceptance of the Torah (Song Rabbah). He calls the nations the daughters of Jerusalem because she [Jerusalem] is destined to become the metropolis for them all, as Ezekiel prophesied (16:61): “and I shall give them to you for daughters,” like (Josh. 15:45): “Ekron, with her towns (וּבְנוֹהֶיהָ).”

In relation to light white has the whole spectrum but in relation to color black includes all colors and white is simply the lack of color (which I have noticed has become a debate of its own among people that dont seem to know the difference, yet can be observed if you simpley take all colors (pain/crayons/..) and put in same location). What i personally dont really understand is why all computer spectrumes of color had red at both ends. Anyway, If the first man was red in complection and through time certain lines were formed in which the the tone of skin ranged from what we commonly call "black and white" what were the contributing factors?
First of all I have never actually seena "white" person I have seen real light tan or pinkish though.So does sunlight play a role in relation to the complextion (showing blood in the face)? does the spacific seedlines relate to complextion and if so how and why in relation to a red orgin? Feel fre to leave comments. I am also familure with stances that there was more than one man and woman present in days of Adam and Eve which is open for discussion in comments but please not discussion on universal evolution from apes (or whatever). Please if you want to discuss this post do so in relation to the Bible.

random responce to interracial

*^#^%*& Deut.7:2 speaks against it, as do many scriptures but in what reguards? Those OF Israel were not to mix with those outside of Israel (in relation to carrying the phy line of Israel). This carries over to the faith cause in Torah (Judaism) tribal identification is made through the Father (physical line carries promise like in David/Judah -king line... Levi- priestline thus a LEVITICAL high priest had to track his lieniage back to Levi (aaron through both Maother and Father and a king of Israel had to track line back through father to David)and yet if ones mother isnt of the desendants of Jacob (Israel) they are not counted as of the congreagtion (of Israel/ literally /phy/ and faith). In relation to the faith the mother carries the wieght cause we are told that those Men that marry woman that arent of Israel that the child is in danger of loosing the faith (Deut 7 but this isnt mentioned in relation to the child of a none Jewish/Israeli father that has a mother of Israel). When a physical line is Breached then that is a New line, new people, nation and so forth which is seen throughout scripture. Example Hagar was Egyptian and Sarah wasnt the weight of the inheritance (relates to calling) went to Isaac cause hagar and Ishmael were sent out / look at seperation Of Cain.. He went forth bringing up a new people, following the flood the sons of Noah were scattered and brought up a new people. We also see in the Tanakh that those jews that were slaves or had slaves were allowed non Jewish wives cause a Jewish women isnt to be put in bondage and when Israel was cleansed the Men put off all their non Jewish wives and children. When a Jew man is given oppertunity to freedom (after time limit of slavery in Judaism) If he were to choose freedom he would have to leave wife and kids cause they were still property of slave owner (employer) thus reason they werent given Jewish women. So interracial bonds are bonds and no ones birth is a sin (reguarding any offspring of interracial or non interracial marriages).In other words what a interracial bond has is theirs and isnt directly wrong or bad but is not what was being carried before in their line thats leads up to this new (mix). In islam its somewhat the opposite. If your Father (head of the house) is muslim BOOM you are considered Muslim. http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/.../topics/levitical-marriage <--at the bottom of this link you may find some good info on subject, And here is another link for whomsoever will http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/profiles/blog/show

Before cross

Yeshua heals & is the means in which YHVH has provided all atonement. The atonements were fulfilled in Yeshua from the foundation of the world. What happened to those in covenant that passed over prior to the literal crusifixtion?

YHVH isn't confined to space and time (Acts 7:48-50;17:24-30/ Is.44:6/Is.48/ Rev.1:8/ Jn.1) & prior to a mark on a timeline the truth of the crusifixtion stood (Rev.13:8/ 2 Tim.1:9/ 1 Pet.1:20/Jn.1).

While the blood of animals never completely fulfilled the sacrifice the foreshadow carried the spiritual embrace of the body and blood of Yeshua just as the Wine and Bread does looking back. Looking at those set apart ones prior to the fulfillment I think of people such as Abraham (who actually met Yeshua in his day to those who know the meat of G-d's Word). Abraham's faith was counted to him for righteousness!(Gen.15:6/ Rom.3:28;4:1-8/ Gal.3:6-7). Christ described a place of rest for those in the covenant as being in Abraham's bosom(set apart fromthose not in covenant). I also think of the cases of Moses, Elijah & Enoch Ben Seth, while all are considered to have been transfigured they left the phy. realm& refered to as being taken to heaven & or walking w/ G-d.
Lk.20:37-38 (G-d of living not dead)

---------Those not in good standing-----
With victory over the grave, Yeshua certainly delivered some from prison that had passed over (1 Pet.3:18-20) For Christ also hath Once suffered for sin the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to G-d, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit; By which also he went & preached unto the spirits in prison, which some time were *disobedient, when once the longsuffering of G-d waited in the days of Noah. While the ark was a preparing wherein few that is 8 souls were saved by water.(Lk.5:32)
(Lk.10/Matt.10/Matt.11/ Those who werent in covenant and those who didnt know righteous standard)